I believe I read in an account of the USOC match between the Portland Timbers and Kitsap Pumas that the Pumas are one of four pro clubs in the PDL. Anybody know who are the other 3? And what does it mean to be pro at the PDL level? Do the players actually get paid and how does that fit in with the PDL philosophy of maintaining college players' eligibility?

No player at the PDL level can be paid any money whilst playing at that level.

Several players may well have dropped down to PDL from higher leagues where they were once paid.

I've heard that former professional players have joined PDL rosters, but they have to give up pro status and play for the love of the game if they want to work themselves back.

Actually, the PDL-Pro was set up so that players CAN get paid

However, in recent years, teams such as Laredo Heat, New Orleans Jesters, Vancouver Whitecaps Residency, Kitsap Pumas and the Hollywood United Hitmen have been embracing at least partial professionalism through a new program called PDL-Pro, whereby teams can choose to employ non-NCAA players who are paid for their performances[1], but who still meet the age eligibility criteria. This does not contravene NCAA rules, which state that college players cannot play alongside professionals, but may play against them.

above was from Wikipedia but if you want a more reliabe source this is the press release that the league issued when Hollywood joined the league:

http://pdl.uslsoccer.com/home/325443.html
The PDL team will also be one of four sides in the league competing under professional status.

And one more source:

http://goalkitsap.blogspot.com/2008/09/community-warm-to-kitsap-pro-soccer.html

but Kitsap will begin life in the Premier Development League (PDL) with hopes of doing more soon after that. United Soccer Leagues First Division will go dark in the state of Washington.

The PDL is a summer league (May-July) that uses college talent to staff clubs' unpaid rosters. It is the third level in the United Soccer Leagues system. Waite says his Kitsap PDL club will be professional and will pay its players. He says this is already happening in Vancouver with the Whitecaps residency club, and may also happen next year when Victoria Highlanders FC join the league

there is noting in the USL rules against PDL players bring paid. However any NCAA player that plays for a team that pays its players (or even ONE player) loses his eligibility.

If an entire PDL team is professional, theres nothing to stop them. I remember not so long ago when the D2, then called D3) played an interlocking schedule with the PDL teams. It was pretty bad when the winner of the PDL Mid Atlantic division was determined by who got to play NoVa the most number of times in a season. ::running from the wrath of Scrumpy::

Then the Royals turned PDL in 2006 and Richmond PDL went right to the bottom of the Mid Atlantic table.

NVA 6 - 10 - 0
RCH 4 - 9 -3

Also, Royals PDL was not last in 2007 either, that honor belonged to West Virginia Chaos, albeit due to a one point deduction for some sort infraction (probably ineligible player).

The USL began its Pro-Am status for teams in the PDL and W-League (I actually think this started in the W-League with FC Indiana but I could be wrong) a few years back. Essentially, teams in both leagues may choose to declare themselves professional, thereby giving up all utilization of NCAA eligible players on their specific roster. In addition to not having NCAA players, the operational costs are generally higher as these teams, even if their pros are signed to zero dollar contracts, must pay additional workmans compensation and other various state-by-state costs similar to having employees.

Does anyone know how many PDL teams have declared themselves pro?

In the W-League, I think its FC Indiana, Buffalo Flash, and I know Hampton Roads was heavily considering it. There might be one or two others declaring soon, possibly in cities that may be attractive to WPS. The Western NY team was going to be pro, but they never made it to the start of the season (for reasons unknown, but probably money)and were taken over by the amateur Rochester Ravens.

As always interesting to hear from the management side of things Maj.

Glad to see that Nova FC still keep 2 teams going, and our instate rivals ditch teams due to lack of interest/finances etc.

I never bite at Mikeyratt, as Suz used to say, 'You never knew where he had been !"

good call doc, I don't know where I've been either

Are they still not delivering pizzas in your area?

only Pizza Hut and only before 7:00pm

Thanks to all for the info. After reading a couple of the above articles, I was wondering what many of you thought of the whole PDL concept. I, personally, have never really embraced it. I've been unable to really get excited about our local Detroit area team (Michigan Bucks) even though the team has been quite successful in on the field competition. I'm not convinced of the benefit of the system / division unless it's part of a plan of an individual investor to go pro within a few years. Also, although I'm a little aware of the history, I'm still a little curious why a club like Des Moines as remained at this generally lower-than-minor-league amateur status for so long when it seems they draw as well as most D2 teams and a few D1 teams... notwithstanding geographical considerations. I think for most of their 10+ year existence, the Bucks' management felt content at remaining at the PDL level and that if there were to be a pro team in Detroit, it would have to be MLS or nothing. It hasn't been until the last year or so that they have considered entering a team in USL D1. Any thoughts on the value of PDL in terms of growth of pro soccer?

i see the PDL just the same way as the Cape Cod baseball league or the Coastal Plain League in my neck of the woods. Its a way for college players to develop their talents is real games in the NCAA off season.
The PDL has a mix of teams and ownerships, some, like DesMoines, seem to be interested in running a high level professional-like team, others, have no high ambition, other then having a PDL team as the top rung of their youth system (I'm NOT knocking that whatsoever). It's just 2 very different paths that lead to the same result. Overall I like the PDL concept (i'm sure the USL is wetting themselves over my endorsement) I think it does it job admirably, though expensively in some cases.

Being from Detroit I thought you would be grateful to have ANY team that plays with a ball being successful at the moment.

In Fred's second sorce it mentions a future USL 2 West. Does anyone have any other info on this. ie: When could it happen? Which teams would be involved? And how many?

Why would you lose more money than you had to?

at first i was pessimistic, but i came to like the PDL in the end. because of the mix of college guys and pro level players who happen not to be playing pro for whatever reason, you can get a really good idea of how good guys are. take this kid, Debola Ogunseye, from little newberry college (now transferred to furman). newberry is a second division school no one in the soccer world has ever heard of. Troy Cole, one of the Blackhawks, who plays for similarly obscure second division mars hill college, swears up and down the Ogunseye is the real deal in soccer talent. But what can we really tell from someone at that level?

When i see this kid play in the PDL against talent i have familiarity with (such as ex fc dallas and silverbacks Justin Moore), I can know that i'm seeing the real deal and a guy who can easily play MLS (although they won't like his size one bit) and can be a real star in USL1 for years to come. it was a feeling not dissimilar to the one i had seeing kandji for the first time, although kandji was definitely mind blowing whereas ogunseye is more along the lines of very impressive.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4370719959504072794#

Another example of a PDL pro:



http://www.uslsoccer.com/home/388277.html

Maybe he never wanted to go Dutch on his dates ?

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