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#91000 - 12/22/06 08:49 AM 2 questions about PDL
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1) Do players pay dues to play PDL, like club soccer?

2) I know collegiate players don't get paid to preserve NCAA eligibility. Do non-NCAA players get any type of salary or appearance fees for playing PDL?

Just curious...
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#91001 - 12/22/06 09:39 AM Re: 2 questions about PDL
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I'm pretty sure the answer to #2 is no. I have heard that NCAA players can't even play on the same team with someone that is paid

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#91002 - 12/22/06 10:21 AM Re: 2 questions about PDL
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I know the ottawa fury did pay soem of there players last year and the year before under the table.Of course only cis player got paid ncaa players did not.

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#91003 - 12/22/06 10:39 AM Re: 2 questions about PDL
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From what I read under 'About the PDL', players can play in a professional setting, while maintaining NCAA eligability.
I don't think anyone gets paid for playing. If the Ottawa Fury pay any of their players under the table, is that a violation? Just wondering.
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#91004 - 12/22/06 01:47 PM Re: 2 questions about PDL
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What do you mean by "under the table" Jay? I think a team can hire a player to work for them in some capacity but they can't pay them for anything having to do with playing.
Now if they are giving them money to play, just not reporting it, heck yeah that is a violation. But I would guess you are talking more along the line of the former?

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#91005 - 12/22/06 02:22 PM Re: 2 questions about PDL
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Officaly they were not payed for playing.Keep in mind this came from players telling me this so i am not sure how true it is.

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#91006 - 12/22/06 02:24 PM Re: 2 questions about PDL
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As with the players telling me they got paid so take it at that.It may be true the team its self never said yes or no.

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#91007 - 12/22/06 02:36 PM Re: 2 questions about PDL
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It sounds like someone confided in you, Jaydog2004. But still, if word gets out, it is a violation.
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#91008 - 12/22/06 02:43 PM Re: 2 questions about PDL
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I really don't think it is a violation.I don't even know if what the players told me was true.Take the jr a hockey level same deal in terms of players can't be paid etc.Teams would give players office work etc for them to make some momey.

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#91009 - 12/22/06 02:52 PM Re: 2 questions about PDL
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Fact-check: CIS players, according to jaydog, were paid under the table. That's Canada's version of NCAA.

Being familiar with Major Junior Hockey; those players are allowed to take scholarships at Canadian schools after Major Junior. However, the $500/month per diem (or so, depending on the team and league) they get in Junior is frowned upon by the NCAA. I know Junior A players (level below Major) don't get that per diem- or at least not the same amount- and therefore are eligible for American colleges. Supposedly, many BCHL players end up in college in America.

Curiously, there's a small number of Canadian schools asking to join the NCAA, including IIRC U. British Columbia.

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Some people have brought up PDL programs that ARE pay-to-play. Probably not all clubs (I bet Des Moines is fairly self-sustaining without that), but some.

I understand some overagers on PDL clubs are paid to coach, or sometimes to coach at camps. That might be against NCAA regs, but they probably look the other way to get along, just waiting to see if one school or another finds an advantage in pushing another level of violations.
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#91010 - 12/22/06 03:19 PM Re: 2 questions about PDL
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As far as the PDL goes, I don't know if a player could get away with being paid for an office position when he is not allowed to get paid for playing. That may be valid in Jr. hockey, but it sounds suspicious, as far as the PDL goes.
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#91011 - 12/22/06 04:43 PM Re: 2 questions about PDL
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So here's a question...is the only reason PDL can't pay their players is to preserve the NCAA eligibility of their teammates?

Can a team of NCAA PDL'ers compete against a team of PDL'ers without NCAA eligibility (i.e., getting paid).

Could BYU pay their players since they are not playing NCAA soccer? Could a team filled with only non-NCAA players pay their players?

Just curious about how this all works.
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#91012 - 12/22/06 05:47 PM Re: 2 questions about PDL
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Well, as I recall, the purpose of the PDL is to develope(as in the name Premier Development League) players and prepare them for the action of the professional leagues of the next levels. Preparing them does not include paying them.
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#91013 - 12/22/06 10:12 PM Re: 2 questions about PDL
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It is against NCAA regulations to pay any collegiate athlete.

Players can be reinbursed for travel exspenses and food items only. Traditionally a club can give a player a biweekly payment, however, again those funds are marked for player exspenses only.

The NCAA is pretty strict on these rules, with players even having to return all club apparel unless each player pays for the club kits/warm up's etc.

As for on the pitch, a player can not be fielded on a team that consists of paid players. As for the PDL, there aren't many extra rules put in by the league as the NCAA seemingly has everything lock, stock and barrel..however the PDL does require all teams to field a few players who are under a certain age. There is also a few other small items put in by the league, however I would suggest contacting the league for more info as I don't want to spill out anymore beans on the counter.
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#91014 - 12/22/06 10:16 PM Re: 2 questions about PDL
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Originally posted by wjarrettc:
So here's a question...is the only reason PDL can't pay their players is to preserve the NCAA eligibility of their teammates?

Can a team of NCAA PDL'ers compete against a team of PDL'ers without NCAA eligibility (i.e., getting paid).

Could BYU pay their players since they are not playing NCAA soccer? Could a team filled with only non-NCAA players pay their players?

Just curious about how this all works.
As long as player has declaired himself with the US Soccer Fed. as being an amatuer then any declaired amatuer player can match up against another amatuer status player, PDL, NPSL, Adult Rec. , etc ---

It all comes down to being paid...paid players can't play with or against other amatuer players...the exception being friendly matches or the US Open Cup.
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#91015 - 12/22/06 10:19 PM Re: 2 questions about PDL
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Originally posted by Pounder:
Fact-check: CIS players, according to jaydog, were paid under the table. That's Canada's version of NCAA.

Being familiar with Major Junior Hockey; those players are allowed to take scholarships at Canadian schools after Major Junior. However, the $500/month per diem (or so, depending on the team and league) they get in Junior is frowned upon by the NCAA. I know Junior A players (level below Major) don't get that per diem- or at least not the same amount- and therefore are eligible for American colleges. Supposedly, many BCHL players end up in college in America.

Curiously, there's a small number of Canadian schools asking to join the NCAA, including IIRC U. British Columbia.

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Some people have brought up PDL programs that ARE pay-to-play. Probably not all clubs (I bet Des Moines is fairly self-sustaining without that), but some.

I understand some overagers on PDL clubs are paid to coach, or sometimes to coach at camps. That might be against NCAA regs, but they probably look the other way to get along, just waiting to see if one school or another finds an advantage in pushing another level of violations.
Once you sign on for any CHL team, you loose all elegability within the NCAA. I signed on with Barrie (OHL) and out went my scholarship.
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#91016 - 12/24/06 12:38 PM Re: 2 questions about PDL
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It all comes down to players can not be compensated in any way for playing soccer. It doesn't even really matter how they are registered with USSF. A college player can play on a PDL with a pro registered player (the player pass) and it will not effect their NCAA eligibility. Any one can register as a pro player, you just pay more for the restistration. The key is if there is compensation for playing. Like was previously mentioned, this includes not receiving their equipment at the end of the season for free. Getting paid for working camps falls outside of this.
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#91017 - 12/27/06 01:08 AM Re: 2 questions about PDL
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Are we back to the good old days of boots being stuffed with used $5s & $ 10s ?
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#91018 - 12/27/06 05:39 AM Re: 2 questions about PDL
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You act like this might be a recent development. This has been the way of things for years now. Nothing new.

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#91019 - 12/27/06 10:46 AM Re: 2 questions about PDL
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Getting paid for working camps falls outside of this.
Like working a minimum wage type of position at an alumnus/booster's place of business for slightly more than minimum wage. wink

Oh, and a company car to boot (necessary for fulfilling the duties of the job)
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#91020 - 12/28/06 06:56 AM Re: 2 questions about PDL
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Players that play or will participate in the NCAA can not play with players that are considered professional (getting paid to play or have been paid to play). The PDL/NPSL teams must fill out Professional to Amateur form from FIFA that may be filled out 2 times in a players career (I think it's only twice, it may be only once). Only then can a player with a professional pass be eligible to play for an amateur team (they aren't considered professional any longer after that form).

The PDL has restrictions on who can play, so having an entire team of non-ncaa eligible players will be difficult. Only 8 players may be above age 23, and only 5 of the 26 man roster may be non-green carded players (Canucks don't count as foreigners in PDL)

You can pay players to work for your company, not play for your team. If they are doing office work for example they may be compensated for that work, but you are walking a fine line and better make sure that things are taken care of properly. The teams won't be the one who gets in trouble if they are paying under the table (well with the tax man they will), the player will lose their Collegiate eligibilty however and could also face sanctions from FIFA as well. The team will also probably face problems from their federation for paying amateur players to pay.

HOpe that made sense, I saw the post and wanted to jump in.

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#91021 - 12/28/06 09:42 AM Re: 2 questions about PDL
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