How can a bunch of 2nd Division teams have rivalries? There is no promotion to our beloved MLS. (Which to those of us that know football, refer to *** Major League S**t.)

We in Columbus hope that someday promotion and relagation would be possible, it would have been nice to lose NY and NE years ago.

I'd love to debate you, however I have no idea what the point is that you were making. Sober up and try again.

Yes, we can have rivalries and now that includes you, so piss off Crewboy.

What do you call a Crew fan? Crewslut. (credit to Frank Zappa)

Thats nice, but I wasnt trying to piss you off. Its just that there doesnt seem to be a whole lot to play for in the A-League. (I dont know, we hear NOTHING about it here.) I know that when Open Cup games come here, we are lucky if something like 5,000 people show up. And thats if its an MLS team. A-Leauge and lower draws maybe 2,000. A regular season game draws about 15-20,000.

Also, we enter International tournaments, like the Giants Cup. (Where Saprissa of Costa Rica made short work of us, but at least its something to play for.)

As for promtion and relagation, I think that is great. But, most of your stadiums arent that feasible. I mean, how could you get money out of a 5,000 seat stadium. But it would be nice.

I was only checking because RastaMan plays for your team. (You know him as Mac Cozier) Too bad really, last I hear he was laying in Argentina. Something must have gone horribly wrong.

Do us a favor though, next time you guys are partying after a game...buy him a shot of Goldschlager from the Original Wrecking Crew.

By the way, we travelled a lot in those days....went to Boston, D.C., New York, Tampa, Chicago.....do you guys do anything like that?

As far as your rivalry goes, get real....we will NEVER play. But even if we did, and you beat us 20 times in a row....you'd still be stuck in the lower divisions....and we will STILL be hosting the MLS Cup and College Cup this year.

You may not have been trying but your comments have a tone to them like you're looking down your MLS nose at us & trying to pick a fight:







As far as "playing for something", just to educate you, we do have a league championship and as you mentioned, the US Open Cup. And I won't lose any sleep not being able to play in the world class Giants Cup.

As far as Cozier, I don't think you've kept up with him much. He never played in Argentina, he played in Chile for one year for Club Deportiva Antofagasta (Chilean Division II) in 1998. And nothing horrible happened, although, I guess coming back to the states to play in the A-league might qualify in your book. He made 1st team All A-League in 1999 with Jacksonville and has been with the Battery ever since.

And finally, as far as your initial post about rivalries, you seem to indicate that rivalries depend on promotion. I disagree. U-10 rec teams have rivalries. Rivalries depend on passionate feelings about an opponent and MLS hasn't cornered the market on that.

[ 07-15-2001: Message edited by: JBG - Bribe Taker ]

I always get a laugh out of the fact that MLS fans feel superior to anyone.

The fact that in US open cup games against A-League teams MLS teams draw so little spectators is proof that these soccer "fans" are only fans of the MLS brand name. They aren't real fans of soccer at all.

One rivalry that could become very strong is Charlotte and Charleston. The season stands at 2-2 and I got the impression that this bothers alot of Charleston fans.

crewligan's posts are nothing but solid evidence that MLS fans feel insecure about the supposed superiority of MLS to the A-League.

I personally find MLS very boring. Give me A-League any day. At least in the A-League you can be sure of having at least a few local players on each team.

The Richmond Kickers were developing some great rivalries with Pittsburgh and Hershey until they reconfigured the conferences this year. It is kind of too bad, because those were games that fans could actually drive to within a reasonable amount of time. The new make-up of teams at least for the Kickers allows the development of some rivalries (i.e., Charleston and Charlotte), though I doubt there will ever be much of a rivalry between the Kickers and say, Indiana! If Nashville relocates to the Virginia Beach area, then that again could become a big in-state rivalry. Just my two cents worth... :rolleyes: