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#283380 - 09/10/12 09:18 AM
Re: New York Cosmos
[Re: theAngler]
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Registered: 07/18/12
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Loc: Cosmos Country
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Again I have to stress the point that I'm more than likely way over thinking this topic, but I see a bunch of roadblocks in the form of several questions.
--If MLS is so intent on adding the Cosmos why not just make the announcement that they will be allowed to join the league in time for, say, the 2014 season?
There's nothing from stopping MLS from doing this. Yes, it's more than obnoxious on my part to say this, but with the New York Cosmos you're talking a whole different animal when compared to say a Montreal, or a Seattle or a Portland.
For better or worse the Cosmos brand carries a lot more weight than any other possible expansion franchise that would be allotted to a Orlando, St. Louis or Las Vegas.
IMHO MLS is just to cryptic when it comes to the topic when and if they're going to admit the Cosmos into the league.
--If MLS is so intent on making the Cosmos the 20th franchise why are they holding meetings with other possible investors?
--Speaking of investors is $100 million a feasible buy in fee? As I mentioned in a previous post I'm not in the know when it comes to MLS. But $100 million? Really?
As much as I love the sport I think that number tends to be on the ridiculous side. IMHO, if I was a guy who had that type of money to invest in a professional sports franchise in the USA I'm not looking toward Major League Soccer.
--Why is MLS so adamant about not even thinking of allowing the Cosmos into the league until a stadium is built? Why is that an issue? As I said a paragraph or two up the Cosmos are a different situation.
Why couldn't they be allowed into the league and use Yankee Stadium and/or Citi-Field as a temporary home until they themselves build their own stadium?
I think it's a given that here in NYC by the time all the right politicians and unions get paid off and the DEP gets ready to do and complete an environmental impact study on a new stadium in Flushing Meadows Park, it's going to be years before any new stadium is ready to go. Is MLS looking to buy time for other investors not named Cosmos?
-- And speaking of stadiums, why is MLS investing millions to finance this project? To my knowledge (and please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) the league hasn't invested a dime in any of the new stadiums built by existing franchises.
The league won't even help a charter member (D.C. United) with their stadium problems. Why sink millions into a stadium in NYC for a 20th franchise that doesn't exist? Possible carrot on a stick to entice another investor?
Sorry for being such a negative sonovabitch, but now that all the euphoria and hoopla has died down I just see too many questions without answers when it comes to the Cosmos and MLS.
Hell, I'm even starting to wonder what's going to happen with the NASL? Since the announcement was made back on July 12th all we've gotten is two months closer to the start of the 2013 season without a peep from the Cosmos or NASL on how far along things have moved.
Edited by Gene (09/10/12 09:25 AM)
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#283381 - 09/10/12 09:40 AM
Re: New York Cosmos
[Re: Gene]
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Registered: 04/21/10
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Loc: Negril, Jamaica
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This is 100% smoke and mirrors!
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#283396 - 09/11/12 05:18 AM
Re: New York Cosmos
[Re: Soccer Boy]
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Registered: 06/14/12
Posts: 124
Loc: Long Island
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Gene, thanks for the thoughtful and substantive response. If we were sitting at the pub with a pint of beer, I'd tell you to relax and don't worry so much. I can see a positive in some of those points you listed as negatives. I'll try to explain. I picked up on your question: "Is MLS looking to buy time for other investors not named Cosmos?" I believe we can separate the investors from the name of the club. Sela Sport (of Saudi Arabia) whose chairman is Seamus O'Brien purchased the brand. Any league (MLS, NASL, etc.) will be looking for money from Sela Sport. In a sport driven by money, the MLS, NASL, etc. will only care if Sela Sport can pony up the cash *regardless of what they call the franchise*. I assume you've seen this article? http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012/07/12/garber-nasl-cosmos-still-picture-nyc-expansionHere's a quote: “Major League Soccer remains committed to securing an expansion team in New York City,” Commissioner Don Garber said in a league statement on Thursday. “The current focus is on exploring a stadium site, but we will continue discussions with several potential ownership groups, including the Cosmos, about the possibility of joining the efforts to bring a second MLS team to New York.” The way it looks to me is that the MLS is trying to make it really easy for a New York expansion team to get on board by getting the stadium going. I assume that $100 million is peanuts for Sela Sport's Saudi investors. A team named the Cosmos appears to be the front runner for the club occupying that Flushing Meadow stadium. Working out the details is going to take time. I appreciate the fact that the MLS is pushing for soccer specific stadia. If I'm going to pay money to go watch a team play I'd prefer not to have to look at a gridiron or a baseball diamond. And where the Cosmos will play next year even has yet to be determined. For all we know they will play at Citi Field. Yes, Hofstra's been floated out there, but there has been no announcement. And I doubt we'll hear much until after the NASL championship match in any case.
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#283430 - 09/13/12 08:50 AM
Re: New York Cosmos
[Re: theAngler]
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With all due respect to the gentleman who worte the Bleacher Report article for the link above:
Cosmos has shut down at least one, if not two of the academies that he mentioned. I don't understand how he could mention Cantona's grand vision without mentioning that fact.
Yes, they did launch a clothing line and it didn't sell very well. I saw a nice looking polo style replica jersey the other day at my local Ross (discount retailer that sells a lot of stock that other retailors weren't able to move) selling for under $10 when the price tag said that it retails for $38. Sure, I also saw Phlly Union and Colorado Rapids and Chivas Guadalajara stuff there heavily discounted, as well.
For them to make it to MLS they are going to have to be team players, cooperating with the MLS struture (for example: they'll need to make a move away from Umbro at some point (if they haven't already).
I disagree with his assertion that "MLS needs the Cosmos" and that "professional soccer was non-xistent" in America. I'm going to attribute those statements to trying to be provocative and edgy and a lack of historical perspective. Or maybe he actually believes it (which would make me scratch my head until my dome were to become bruised)...
Edited by Yankiboy (09/13/12 09:35 AM)
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