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#282448 - 07/13/12 10:42 AM Re: NY Cosmos Officially Join the NASL [Re: thesuperrookie]
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I guess it's an indication of how actually committed they are to this market.


Edited by pfutz (07/13/12 10:43 AM)

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#282449 - 07/13/12 10:52 AM Re: NY Cosmos Officially Join the NASL [Re: pfutz]
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You know that scene in the Deer Hunter? I feel like David Downs is being Deniro and he's making Djorn be Walken.

Downs: You gotta listen to me... You wanna stay down here and die? Go on. It's up to you. Now it's up to you.
Djorn: NOOOOOOOO!
Downs: Hey! Him against me! Side by side! Side by side!
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#282450 - 07/13/12 11:48 AM Re: NY Cosmos Officially Join the NASL [Re: thesuperrookie]
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You have to look at the timeline to understand the Vikings interest in starting a MLS team.

Zigy and his brother were interested in starting a MLS team when they proposed a full development retail/restaurant/sports teams package in Arden Hills. If that plan had go forward tey would have invested a lot more money then the money they will spend on just a football team's stadium.

Zigy's main business is real estate most of which are large malls which lease space to independently owned business. A big issue right now in renting retail space is: Why should I rent space in your mall? What is the current occupancy rate? How often do business turn over in that mall space?

If he had started his small village in Arden Hills then he would needed a draw bigger than a NFL team with only 10 home games. He was planning a very large space. That is where it would have made sense to start another sports team in his own stadium village. To increase the big draws to the retail and restaurant village all year long. That is why he then wanted to not pay rent, he knew it would not make enough money as a sport all alone. But, if you take away the rent he could afford to lose some money on the soccer and lacrosse teams if it kept the mall filled for a larger percentage of the days each year. That would be a huge selling point to why business should rent in his mall space.

You take away the mall and you take away the incentive to start any other sports teams for Zigy. This is why they are telling people it's on the back burner for now. The Minneapolis stadium ruined that deal. But one thing is still in place, Zigy gets five years of no rent for a new MLS team. That is another huge opportunity to start a soccer team, others don't have. He is a smart guy if the time and numbers changed from where they were then he might just see the light at the other end of the MLS tunnel.

Everything has now changed for Zigy, the NASL and MLS. As the American soccer market proves that it can grow quickly the potential is now completely different for everyone involved. The investment potential is now completely different than it was just a few years ago. Zigy may have only been thinking of how to fill his mall but now he must kinda see that there is something there over the long term.

Big factors in the last few years:

*Most all MLS teams now have new soccer specific stadiums, or are about to get them.

*Some D2/D3 teams have good stadiums and also have plans for new stadiums (Tampa had plans, San Antonio, Orland is talking about plans...).

*Consistently big crowds (over 50,000) for games in just about every market that has hosted a top world market team visiting America.

*67,000 people in DC came out to watch the US MNT play a friendly (a MLS market that currently only draws 16,000 fans for their home games), If the image of the MLS could improve then those 67,000 people could produce a good solid 30,000+ fans for DC United someday. Everybody wants it to happen there, but they are still waiting for it to happen.

*Huge TV Interest in the World Cup events for both the men's and woman's sport.

*Seattle and their ability to draw over 30,000 consistently to MLS games.

*Montreal and it's ability to get over 60,000 people to show up for its first few games (even if they gave those tickets away).

The very fact that we (as the world's largest sports market) have progressed to a stage in our sports development where our second devision may actually work and people with enough money to go into MLS have chosen to start in the NASL is a gigantic step forward.


"I think you’re going to see more investors who are interested in our sport from other parts of the world looking at Major League Soccer as an opportunity and as a model," Payne told a news conference on Tuesday. "The model is broken in some parts of the world, but there's a sensibility about the way we run our business at Major League Soccer that many investors from overseas find very appealing." -DC United's Kevin Payne

"I met with people in the Middle East," Payne revealed to MLSsoccer.com. "I flew to places like Dubai and met with people who have vast, vast amounts of personal wealth ... and they were very intrigued by the way we’re running our league and the sensible and sustainable way that we’ve approached it"

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012/07/11/expect-more-foreign-investors-mls-says-dc-president

"The most important is how the major league structure how they manage the league" -Erick Thohir one of the new owners at DC United.

The greatest thing about sports is how things can change quickly, we have a term for it in sports psychology:

An Epiphany!


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#282451 - 07/13/12 11:57 AM Re: NY Cosmos Officially Join the NASL [Re: jw7]
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#282452 - 07/13/12 12:17 PM Re: NY Cosmos Officially Join the NASL [Re: jw7]
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Jw7- Do you think it is an okay thing that the NASL has had zero interaction with Vikings leadership? This seems like a major misstep, even for those of us hoping and believing, no?
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#282453 - 07/13/12 12:35 PM Re: NY Cosmos Officially Join the NASL [Re: thesuperrookie]
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Nope, because the NASL has a bigger plan and that does not require them to sell anything to Zigy cheaply.

If Zigy was really interested (which I just stated my case as to why they were not, but may be in the future almost by accident) he would be approaching them. Zigy approached the MLS and is now on the outside looking in.

Believe it or not Rook the NASL is not a bunch of stupid business guys. And they may just understand how the history of sports leagues are developed here in America. There are many examples to study, some attempts worked well, some did not but there is a lot of past info on league mergers to learn from.

http://www.usldiscussions.com/ubbthreads...omed#Post281443

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#282456 - 07/13/12 12:51 PM Re: NY Cosmos Officially Join the NASL [Re: jw7]
pfutz Offline
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So there's a great business plan for the league.

Unfortunately the Stars are woefully irrelevant to it.

So in regards to our team, not the league, how do you feel about that?

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#282458 - 07/13/12 01:18 PM Re: NY Cosmos Officially Join the NASL [Re: pfutz]
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MN has been there from the start. They are part of the plan.

MN is along for the ride, I'll bet my Silvio Berlusconi 2006-07 AC Milan Champions League Championship shirt on that. laugh

This is a work in progress...

Now that Seattle, Vancouver, Portland and Joey the rat are on the inside of the MLS ownership group, they may just someday get to vote on a merger between the two leagues... We have been stacking the deck in our own favor for years.

The cost to keep Minnesota in the league now is peanuts when you look at what these teams could be worth in just ten years from now... They are doing a great job to limit their losses. We just saw that with the US Open Cup game sold to Real Salt Lake. They are looking and thinking long term just like everyone else inside the NASL.

San Antonio and the money they are spending now are a big hint as to what is going on inside the NASL's long range plans. They will have to be a very strong package to enter three teams into D1 from Texas.

But that is the way people from Texas think: If LA and NY can have two teams then Texas will have three...


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#282465 - 07/13/12 03:20 PM Re: NY Cosmos Officially Join the NASL [Re: jw7]
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When reading the articles jw7 posted, Is it just me, am I putting too much emphasis on the paragraph that says:

"NASL commissioner David Downs says the plan will 'reunite the Cosmos, (Fort Lauderdale) Strikers, (Tampa Bay) Rowdies and several markets with ties to the NASL's early days."

Money and business techniques aside, are we not one of the teams from the original NASL? Aren't we one of those markets?

I'm here to support professional soccer in MN. Kicks were before my time, but I was there for the Thunder and I'm continuing with the Stars. And I will continue thru any other rebranding or other circumstances that may arise. All I know is, next season, when we play them, banners chants and jeers could be limitless.

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#282466 - 07/13/12 03:26 PM Re: NY Cosmos Officially Join the NASL [Re: HooligansFC]
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and to who ever posted this on Dark Clouds facebook page:

"We would like to be the first to welcome the New York Cosmos back to NASL play.

We would also like to be the first to tell them to get out."

Well done and I applaud you.

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