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#281443 - 05/25/12 03:13 PM Will MLS merge with NASL someday?
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Football
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFL–NFL_merger

At first, the NFL ignored the AFL and its eight teams, assuming the AFL would consist of players who could not earn a contract in the NFL, and that fans of professional football would not waste their time watching them when they could watch the NFL. The NFL also had the media advantage. For example, in the 1960s, Sports Illustrated's lead football writer was Tex Maule, whose previous job had been as public relations director for Pete Rozelle, the general manager of the NFL's Rams. Maule "was certainly an NFL loyalist,"[1] and several sports reporters took his deprecatory columns about the AFL as fact. In another example, another former Rozelle employee, Tex Schramm, was CBS's director of sports during the period when that network refused to give AFL scores. Many play-by-play and color announcers on CBS were former NFL players.

However, in spite of this bad press, and unlike the NFL's previous rivals, the AFL was able to survive and grow. After the league's Los Angeles team moved to San Diego (in 1961) and the Dallas team moved to Kansas City (in 1963), the league began to prosper. The New York team (now called the Jets) began to draw record crowds, aided by the signing of quarterback Joe Namath to an unprecedented $427,000 contract. NBC paid the AFL $36 million in 1965 to televise its games, ensuring the league's financial survival.

As the rivalry between the leagues intensified, both leagues entered into a massive bidding war over the top college prospects, paying huge amounts of money to unproven rookies in order to outbid each other for the best players coming out of college.

Contrary to common belief, it was not the AFL, but the NFL that initiated discussions for a merger between the two leagues, as it was fearful that Davis' "take no prisoners" tactics would seriously reduce its talent base.


Baseball
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_League

The American League of Professional Baseball Clubs, or simply the American League (AL), is one of two leagues that make up Major League Baseball in the United States and Canada. It developed from the Western League, a minor league based in the Great Lakes states, which eventually aspired to major league status. It is often called the Junior Circuit because it claimed Major League status for the 1901 season, 25 years after the formation of the National League (the "Senior Circuit").

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_League

The Federal League came together in early 1913 through the work of John T. Powers, and immediately challenged the operations of organized baseball. Playing in what detractors called the "outlaw" league allowed players to avoid the restrictions of the organized leagues' reserve clause. The competition of another, better paying league caused players' salaries to skyrocket, demonstrating the bargaining potential of free agency for the first time.


Hockey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHL–WHA_merger

In its seven seasons, the WHA paid its players $120 million, and lost over $50 million. The competition for talent introduced by the WHA, and accelerated by the signing of Bobby Hull, led to a rapid escalation of salaries for players in both leagues. Hockey players had leverage in contract negotiations for the first time.


Basketball
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABA–NBA_merger

From the very beginning, the ABA hoped to force a merger with the NBA, thus repeating the American Football League's successful effort to force a merger with the National Football League. According to The NBA Encyclopedia, the ABA's main selling point was that a potential owner could get an ABA team for half of what it cost to get an NBA expansion team at the time. ABA officials told prospective owners that if they held out until the merger, their investment would more than double.

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#281444 - 05/25/12 04:12 PM Re: Will MLS merge with NASL someday? [Re: jw7]
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Maybe we now know why the MLS took these D2 teams.

2012 MLS attendance (week 11)

Montreal 36,498
*60,608 attendance at 2012 game vs LA Galaxy
(2007 D2 av att 11,036)

Seattle 38,627
(2007 D2 av att 3,396)

Vancouver 19,012
(2007 D2 av att 5,162)

Portland 20,438
(2007 D2 av att 6,794)


Now if only the NASL could get these teams back up into D2

Rochester
(2007 D2 av att 9,336)

Charleston
(2007 D2 av att 3,968)

Orlando (Austin)
(2011 D3 av att 5,415)



MLS Figures 2012
http://mlsattendance.blogspot.com/

Attendance project from Kenn.com (aka Bernie Slaven -USL Discussion Zone)
http://www.kenn.com/the_blog/?page_id=3822



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#281445 - 05/25/12 04:30 PM Re: Will MLS merge with NASL someday? [Re: jw7]
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#281468 - 05/25/12 10:51 PM Re: Will MLS merge with NASL someday? [Re: jw7]
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http://www.soccernewsday.com/usa/a/90/bigshot-q-a-nasl-commissioner-david-downs


"We intend to remain a true North American league rather than a group of regional leagues, so we feel that our goal of 20 teams by the year 2020 is appropriate".

"...in general terms we are looking for large to mid-sized cities that do not currently have pro soccer teams at the D-1, D-2 or D-3 level".

"...the sport continues to grow dramatically, and we believe that there will be more pro teams ten years from now rather than fewer".

"I wouldn’t rule out a business partnership between the two leagues – that’s quite logical, but if this question envisions having a 40-team first division league in North America with NASL and MLS teams playing side by side I’m not certain that would be ideal".


-David Downs NASL Commissioner

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#282398 - 07/12/12 11:49 AM Re: Will MLS merge with NASL someday? [Re: jw7]
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The NASL New York Cosmos... Now let me ask that question one more time. Will MLS merge with the NASL someday?

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#282400 - 07/12/12 11:54 AM Re: Will MLS merge with NASL someday? [Re: jw7]
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Promotion/relegation? (Dead horse?)
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#282412 - 07/12/12 02:19 PM Re: Will MLS merge with NASL someday? [Re: theAngler]
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I remember before Seattle joined the MLS, fans were adamant against and insisting they would not go when their team joined our top league. Now they are the attendnce leaders with almost 40,000 wink Great to see!

Strange that Montreal averaged over 20,000 at Olympic Stadium and dropped to 12,000 at the newly renovated Stadio Saputo.

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#282454 - 07/13/12 12:37 PM Re: Will MLS merge with NASL someday? [Re: Pghsoccer]
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"The most important is how the major league structure how they manage the league," he said. "For me, it doesn’t mean that I don’t want to spend the money. I want to spend the money. But I’m a sportsman. -Erick Thohir one of the New owners at DC United.

A merger could happen soon because the Synergy is at its hight right now. You don't get all that many chances to grab a hold of something dynamic. When you see that chance you don't want it to be split into two.

"Now Erick Thohir, Will Chang and Jason Levien have a similar vision. The District should grab this opportunity. Synergy is such a revolting word, and yet in this case it’s applicable".-Tracee Hamilton, Washington Post

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/new...V9cW_story.html



Lets take two US Sports teams and compare where the MLS is now and what the very top potential is for a pro sports league team in America.

The Vikings are valued at 800 million dollars.
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2011/30/nfl-valuations-11_Minnesota-Vikings_309201.html

DC United was just valued at 50 million dollars.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/...ord-50-million/


The MLS has said it wants 75-80 million for a new team to enter the league. Why would anyone pay that amount when the earnings are currently so low?


Value change is #1 on the Forbes chart of NFL team rankings...
The MLS owners are selling a big value change (sometime off in the future).

Player cost is the biggest expense factor...
They can not control the cost of players when you have a second league taking more and more US based players (the best players that are still the cheapest).



The MLS would do well to merge soon before the biggest growth spurt starts.
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#282457 - 07/13/12 12:56 PM Re: Will MLS merge with NASL someday? [Re: jw7]
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“What you’ll get from me and this organization from now on is a) when we say something we will deliver and b) we will be factually correct,”

“I’m conscious of the heritage and history that we are the custodians of. I’m conscious of the recent issues, and you won’t hear hyperbole from me".

"I’ve always built for the long term, not for the short term".

“I’m not going to gaze into the crystal ball and make a statement [about MLS]. All I’ll say is that our intention is to play ultimately at the highest level and be the No. 1 side in North America,’’

“Right now, I felt as owner evaluating the amount of money that was required investing, we were better investing that into our own team and our own franchise,’’

“The model presented us with a great opportunity to grow out the brand and build a really strong foundation on the first steps in this new journey. This move now gives us the best chance of success for the long term. We’re playing to win at the highest level possible, and when we get there, it’s here to stay for generations.’’

“I think (Garber) understands the reason why we’ve started where we’re going to start,’’ said O’Brien, who spoke to Garber yesterday. “I hope to maintain a good open dialogue with him. Who knows what happens in the future?’’

-Seamus O'Brien, The New York Cosmos.




“As we continue to expand the league and help grow professional soccer in the United States, Canada and the Caribbean, the Cosmos brand and their strong ownership group are a perfect fit with us".

"Bringing the Cosmos into the N.A.S.L. is a logical next step as we embrace the heritage of our own past and now reunite the Cosmos, Strikers, Rowdies and several markets with ties to the N.A.S.L.’s early days. Most importantly, we look forward to the Cosmos enhancing the quality of our league both on and off the field.”

-David Downs, NASL Commissioner



“When the last Cosmos resurrection took place, I called it an abortion, not a re-birth. Unfortunately, I was right,’’ said Toye. “This time, the first moves made are those that I would’ve made myself had I managed to persuade Peppe Pinton to sell to me over the years; so I start out with positive thoughts in my head for the Cosmos and for the NASL, and long may they remain so.’’

-Clive Toye The first GM of the original New York Cosmos

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/soccer/blast_from_the_past_YbDctlt1ahEgarqek4s7DL#ixzz20WwVGLML

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#282460 - 07/13/12 01:40 PM Re: Will MLS merge with NASL someday? [Re: theAngler]
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Promotion/relegation? (Dead horse?)


I don't see why anyone would want to copy a Pro/Reg model that does not even work well anymore. No one really believes that any team that comes up from D2 in England can even be close to being a competitive team in the EPL. The only question is how long can a bottom of the table team stay up in the EPL before it goes back down again.

Almost none of the players move up into the EPL with the D2 team.

I have always been amazed at how the EPL promotes the last regulation games at the end of the season after the league has been won weeks before the end of the season (in most years). Maybe they should start thinking about having playoffs at the end of their seasons. grin

There are effectively three leagues within the one EPL league in reality (this is also is true for most all of the worlds leagues where you have 20 teams for a population of less than 80 million people).

The EPL
1. The top five or six teams
2. The middle teams who stay in the middle year after year
3. The teamss going back down to D2 soon

Spain only two to three top teams and everybody else...
Italy has three to four teams of worth...
Germany has three to four...
France/Qater is attempting to buy one...

That is why we all watch the Champions League. It is Europe's only really good league grin
I'm joking but it is kinda true in a way.


The US has a better model for pro sports teams and we have the NFL to thank for that. In any season any team can become the champion of the league. It happens all the time in the NFL, the system of even teams creates hope for all fans of all teams.

Look at Detroit over the past couple of seasons...

Oh, and by the way the NFL and the MLS are kinda of socialists in the way they distrubite the wealth around the league evenly... laugh laugh I don't think Obama had anything to do with that. But I'm often naive in political matters.


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