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#255698 - 12/23/09 06:42 AM Re: New W-League Alignment [Re: Doctor_Scrumpy]
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Originally Posted By: Doctor_Scrumpy
How you choose to interperate my words about owners is up to you. The only club I directly referred to was RIchmond, although my other target would have been the debacle currently going on at Fratton Park, where owners have sought quick success rather than look at the future.


Your exact words were "I guess the only good owners are the ones who make plans for a few years ahead, and don't have to ditch teams due to lack of funds"
Yes, you used Richmond as an example but the truth of the matter is there are a lot of organizations that fit that definition. Actually the truth is, in these economic times, no matter how well they have planned ahead, owners are faced with dropping teams or folding all together.
(You also have no idea whether Richmond dropped the Future and Destiny due to lack of funds or not.)
So in your quest to put down Richmond due to your hatred towards me, you have also condemed many, many others, including those you know and supposedly care about

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The point I was making if you care to either read or have someone explain to you is that given the fact that an established club like Richmond have had to drop not one but two teams in the recent past due to various reasons, it is to there eternal credit that Mo & Tim have managed to keep both of our local teams going.


The point you fail to see is that one has nothing to do with the other. Two different organizations, two different business plans.
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#255699 - 12/23/09 06:46 AM Re: New W-League Alignment [Re: Doctor_Scrumpy]
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Originally Posted By: Doctor_Scrumpy
PS How many teams do the Richmond club run now ? 1, 2 or 3 ?

You obviously failed to see that question in my statement, too much Xmas cheer ?


You obviously failed to see that I did address the question.
"Being a good owner has nothing to do with the number of teams owned. It's what they do with the team(s) they have that counts."

Quality > Quantity


Edited by Fred's First Fan (12/23/09 06:48 AM)
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#255702 - 12/23/09 07:26 AM Re: New W-League Alignment [Re: Fred's First Fan]
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My oh my, we have a large opinion of ourselves don't we...

To be quite frank you don't even mention a passing whim in my thoughts, I have important things to deal with. But I notice you still refer to me in your avatar, guess that explains who really has the issue with the other. smile

The only comparison I was making was with the failure of the Richmond organization to provide teams, and praising the efforts of our local owners. But if you seek to make it all about you...lol





Edited by Doctor_Scrumpy (12/23/09 08:57 AM)
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#255704 - 12/23/09 08:15 AM Re: New W-League Alignment [Re: Doctor_Scrumpy]
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If you are judging ownership success in terms of "organization of the year" and/or championships ("stars on the jerseys"), I think you need to compare that to individual organzation goals as well.

In the case of Northern Virginia, I think you need to consider that the club charter is based a little heavier on development, thereby implying the club is probably more focused on the youth sides of things (as is Richmond) and retains the senior teams to complete the club and provide additional opportunities for those players that have grown through the club.

That said, Northern Virginia is highly successful in terms of earning both "Organization of the Year" and "Stars on their Jerseys" in the USL Super Y-League.

Plus, if everyone else folds, they will have to eventually give Organization of the Year to the PDL Royals.


Edited by NVMajestics (12/23/09 08:19 AM)
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#255706 - 12/23/09 08:35 AM Re: New W-League Alignment [Re: NVMajestics]
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Just talked to Mo, he suggested we start by sewing stars on our jerseys for evey Virginia PDL club we outlast. So, for 2010, we have:

RIP Richmond
RIP Williamsburg
RIP Fredericksburg

It all lies in your definition of success.
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#255707 - 12/23/09 08:56 AM Re: New W-League Alignment [Re: NVMajestics]
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Xmas greetings to you & your family as well as Mo & his family.
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#255715 - 12/23/09 10:21 AM Re: New W-League Alignment [Re: NVMajestics]
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NVMajestics, thank you for a very intelligent response that recognizes the success of both the Kickers and NoVa organizations. Since Doc kept inferring that Richmond only had one team left as opposed to two for NoVa it was obvious he wasn't counting the youth part of the organizations. So that was what I was referring to. I admit I don't pay much attention to the women's side but I think even you would have to admit that the Royals have never had that much success on the field in the PDL and above. Which actually kind of makes your longevity even more of an accomplishmnet....major kudos and I mean that sincerely. I also hope and feel that you (unlike others on here) are intelligent enough to know that Richmond choosing to concentrate on the Pro team AND to develope their youth through means other than the Future & Destiny does NOT mean we have bad owners. The fact that both organizations still exist in this rough economy shows otherwise - that we both have very good owners that are continuing to find ways to make sure we all still have soccer to watch.
Let's hope you all are the next team to leave the PDL - as you move up to D2 (lol, assuming that D2 will continue to exist itself)


Edited by Fred's First Fan (12/23/09 10:30 AM)
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#255716 - 12/23/09 10:29 AM Re: New W-League Alignment [Re: Doctor_Scrumpy]
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Originally Posted By: Doctor_Scrumpy
But I notice you still refer to me in your avatar, guess that explains who really has the issue with the other. smile


Actually, that I still refer to you in my signature shows that I don't have issues with you at all. As a matter of fact I keep hoping that we can at some point re-establish our friendship but your continued unwarranted bitternes shows that we still aren't anywhere near that point unfortunatly.
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#255718 - 12/23/09 12:29 PM Re: New W-League Alignment [Re: Fred's First Fan]
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What bitterness ? I don't even refer to you. You really are reading things that are not even there.

The Majestics made the play-offs in recent years, as for the Royals their success or otherwise is judged in that they are the only club in Virginia who have not lost teams from one league or another in the last few years.

Compared to other clubs in the PDL whom we have played

Va Beach, Freds, Richmond, Williamsburg, Reading Rage, Delaware Dynasty. All gone and sadly missed.

Yet the Royals go marching on, a real sign of success.
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#255729 - 12/24/09 07:45 AM Re: New W-League Alignment [Re: Doctor_Scrumpy]
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No doubt that the Royals are successful at some things, not so very successful in other areas. Never really was any debate about that. What was being debated was your ignorant statement "I guess the only good owners are the ones who make plans for a few years ahead, and don't have to ditch teams due to lack of funds" - the ingorance being in your definition of a good owner and, in the case of Richmond, why they chose to fold teams. So I'm ending my part in this the way I began. You guess wrong.
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