Apparently the great NASL has purchased the rights to the Baltimore Bays name ( NASL Purchase Bays name ). This confuses me since there is already a Baltimore Bays youth system in Baltimore. It's national ranked as well, thus not a small deal. It is run by Baltimore Blast GM Kevin Healey.

Since CP Baltimore has 'burned the bridge' with both organizations recently, I wonder how this will work. have they made a working agreement with both?

Little known info is that CP Baltimore PAYS Crystal Palace for use of the name. The thought for owners was that the name would draw people in. That hasn't really been the case unfortunately. I assume the hope is that a name change would boost awareness in Baltimore. I also assume that the Crystal Palace agreement could also be dropped.

Now to the point, which former name would you most want Baltimore to take?

I still can't make up my mind on how to voet.

Just saw on Skysports last night that Crystal Palace has a cashflow problem and that players and staff are going to receive their wages 10 days late...

Maybe this would be a good time for Baltimore to rebrand. Maybe not. After 3 years of being known as Palace maybe the club should make the Bays switcharoo...

Maybe London will not be willing to waive the fee for the name usage. I am not so sure that the Baltimore ownership should be paying for it if it is anything more than a minimal--like 5K (dollars) a year. Since they are "moving up" London should give them a break because the brand will be potentially a little better exposed...

I'd say you answered your own question there, they won;t send a check to London & have a new "brand" = All consistent with Owners that were out for an el-cheapo way into a pie in the sky DIV2 USSF slot.



EXCELLENT - There were just a couple of Players there The Battery was looking at... like PR we actually pay our guys on time~!

Nottingham Bill - perhaps the reason it's little known is that it's entirely wrong?

Conjecture on any subject is what these forums are all about! But wording is important - please be careful before making apparent statements of fact without being 100% certain of their veracity.

Cheers,

James.

James, kinda of ironic that you passed by. Always good to see you.

Can you give the CPB season ticketholders and supporters any idea on when the club will issue more information about the changes?

Cheers.

Good to see you too Yankiboy

As you can imagine, there's a lot still to be sorted out. But we'll do our level best to post an update for supporters - including of course loyal season ticket holders like your good self - some time next week!

Cheers,

James.

James, I can only imagine how many changes the FO/Ownership is going through with this move...

Looking forward to seeing how this all works out.

Some of us will actually miss your "Umbro--LIVE the game!!!" plugs over the stadium PA. We went from laughing at them to be annoyed by them to joining reciting the spot, laughingly making it a CPB ritual of sorts...

Thanks a lot, Mate.

which former name would you most want Baltimore to take?
Baltimore Team Name - Only one choice allowed (6 total votes)

Baltimore Bays, NASL,ASL,USISL, APSL (1967-73, 88-91, 93-98) 4 (67%)

Crystal Palace Baltimore (2007-current) 2 (33%)

Baltimore Comets, NASL (1974) 0 (0%)

Baltimore Americans, ASL (1934-49) 0 (0%)

Maryland Mania, USL-1 (4 games in 1999 no seriously we need a 5th option) 0 (0%)

Disloyal RABBLE, NASL2 (2009-2010) 100 (99%)

I vote for the RABBLE

We get it.

Allow me to point out that this isn't La Cosa Nostra. An omerta pledge is not sent in with the USL dues check. The owners of the clubs in the new league were under no obligation to be loyal to USL.

nathan3e I used the word DISLOYAL not mafia, look it up...

- Your reply is incorrect & inconsistent with the very definition of League - By your incorrect definition nathan3e a Fan would not be disloyal in NOT following said team to new League then.

League - A combination or union of two or more parties for the purpose of maintaining friendship and promoting their mutual interest, or for executing any design in concert

League - in a league; to cause to combine for a joint purpose; to combine; to unite; as, common interests will league heterogeneous elements

League - To unite in a league or confederacy; to combine for mutual support; to confederate

League - An alliance or combination of two or more nations, parties, or persons, for the accomplishment of a purpose which requires a continued course of action, as for mutual defense, or for furtherance of commercial, religious, or political interests, etc.

& let's not forget the definition of RABBLE~!

RAB''BLE, n. [L. rabula, a brawler, from rabo, to rave.]

1. A tumultuous crowd of vulgar, noisy people; the mob; a confused disorderly crowd.

2. The lower class of people, without reference to an assembly; the dregs of the people.

Your definition of league says nothing of permanency of the union. If the common purposes that bound them are either no longer common purposes or otherwise diverge, as they did in this case, there's no reason for the league to persist.

Also, I'm not sure that rabble really applies to anyone in the USL or the TOA/NASL. Especially on the noisy part since no one is saying much of anything. They had a disagreement, outlined it in broad terms and left. There may be a lot of noise in the near future in terms of lawsuits, but that seems more likely to come from the USL side than the NASL, though I'm not intending to cast aspersions on the merit of whatever lawsuits may arise by labeling them noisy.

Besides, the Battery were "disloyal" to the USL-D1 league and left it as well to go to the greener pastures of the USL-D2 league. And if anyone is of a noisy, rabbley sort, my money would be on the one who goes around trying to stir up trouble and uses way too many caps.

You are employing inapplicable, overheated, and emotional rhetoric better suited to a discussion of secret societies than to a discussion of minor league professional sports. A business owner is under no obligation to coexist in a context that is dying on the vine. There is no pledge, no secret pinky shake bonding them together. Is that clearer? Was it really that vague?



You are waving your fists from the land of semantics. The "leagues" are morphing minute by minute. I cannot even be sure I will have a team in either league at this point.

So then WE are not happy about this entire fiasco~! - I guess the difference is I've also been a longtime USL Fan as well as a Battery Fan - The concept of being a Fan of a League obviously evades you... Meanwhile I'll vent as I've seen fit to do in my last 4000 or so Posts around here - & One of the myriad of things I'm mad about reagrding this whole mess is the totally unneccessary loss of some viable East Coast USL2 teams with great logistics for The Battery... & hell even the kNickers - That REALLY ticks me off ~!

The Battery CEO said it best:

“This breakaway is not good for soccer in the United States. Cooler heads should have prevailed with all parties sitting round a table and resolving their differences for the benefit of the sport. This did not happen and we will all have to deal with the consequences.”

James,
I apologize for passing the wrong information. However I did receive that info from Mr. Ed Cherneski and I did not just make it up.

Please correct us on the situation. How does the Crystal Palace arrangement go?

"I’m proud to be recognized by the league," remarked Medd. "It’s a statement on everything we’re doing here at Crystal Palace. Obviously Jim Cherneski and I work hand-in-hand on everything, so it’s just as much his award as mine. I think I got a lot accomplished as a member of the League’s Executive Committee this year."

Soooo by saying you got a lot accomplished, you mean consistently critical of the league, deceiving the league, breaking away from the league and then joining a phantom "league" where half (maybe more)of the teams will either be gone or financially incompetent in 1-2 years....this being the same league you said a couple years ago was the perfect fit for Crystal Palace. Yea, you were busy! Wouldn't call that an accomplishment though....

Bill - sorry for any miscommunication from the club. Simply put, the UK club pays us to scout players over here that can be signed by them, and as part of that arrangement, we use the Palace name. Hope that clarifies things.

I think we are all in agreement with that, right? At least right now? This is painful at the moment.

It's POSSIBLE that in several years we'll look back and say "Well, that sucked for a while, but it resulted in a stronger soccer structure in this country (and Canada), so it was worth it."

It's also possible that we'll look back and, like the CART/IRL split, say "WTF did we waste all that energy for? That was a major pain in the butt just because some people got their knickers in a twist."

We don't know yet.

I do know this - you can't be from a country that was CREATED by people who rejected the status quo because they didn't think it was right and then denigrate those who would do the same thing down the road. "When in the course of human events" and all that.

The difference, of course, is that the revolutionaries (who were committing treason, let's not beat around the bush about that) were fighting for ideals a lot more noble than Selby Wellman's Rent-A-Car Deal Wishes.

[quote=Bernie SlavenI do know this - you can't be from a country that was CREATED by people who rejected the status quo because they didn't think it was right and then denigrate those who would do the same thing down the road. "When in the course of human events" and all that.

The difference, of course, is that the revolutionaries (who were committing treason, let's not beat around the bush about that) were fighting for ideals a lot more noble than Selby Wellman's Rent-A-Car Deal Wishes. [/quote]

Sure I can... as the way things turned out WE (& I include our Canadian continental brothers here) & most certainly SOCCER would have been FAR better off had cooler heads prevailed & parties sat around a table & there had been no American Revolution and NASL2~!

We'd have been better off remaining British subjects?

Okay, I gotta read this senior thesis.

Yes we would have the tremoundously successful soccer leagues that Canada, Australia, New Zealand and India have. Sorry, but the argument lacks logic. I'll take the USA model every time - "Don't Tread on Me". We'll see if come June 12th we can make another stand.

Actually it's a book = There's no World Wars, no Depression, no Holocaust, no Cold War & damn little French... & EPL Franchises all over the British Continental United States.

Is this book fiction? Because if not, I am a bit insulted. My wife's oldest uncle would not have been conscripted into Mussolini's army if only the United States was a British colony? And here is a tip: No good can come from bringing the Holocaust into your tenuous theory.

History is not linear and orderly. No one can possibly know where the world would be today if major events had played out differently, but I'll guess and say it would not be utopia.

You have to get back into ROMAN History before the Italian Army, or Navy, or Air Force, etc... actually accomplished anything.

A nifty response Buck. You managed to not answer either of my questions. And shouldn't we be pleased that Mussolini's army didn't "actually accomplish anything"?

And yes, for anyone bored senseless by this diversion, I would move it to a different thread if I knew how.

Needless to say the quality of PIZZA in North America would be FAR better had the Roman Empire continued their conquest of the World - I could'nt see Little Ceasars going over very well... As far as the Thread goes we were exploring different & future Soccer scenarios as they related to past milestones in History & yeah we kinda strayed~!

Riiiiiiight. Because the history of man shows us that he's not warlike.

You've really got something wrong upstairs, don't you?

Del (delete post wouldn't work? Probably because of reply)

Oh great. please no more politics.

The windup history takes and responses are one thing. But now it the thread has been given a political edge.

Probably time to bail on this one...

Yeah you're right. Mea culpa.

Maximum Respect, JJE!